由一些但难以适应的人崇敬,许多讨论嬉皮士的反文化图标,弗兰克·萨帕心灵和音乐变得少了一点亚历克斯冬天新纪录片,Zappa。难以置信地访问Zappa的巨大电影保险库,它本身是电影中的一个角色,冬季探讨了矛盾和并发症的网络,使Zappa在他死亡之后令人着迷。

冬天谈到了所有人(学习后的小时)yabo电竞app比尔&ted面对音乐soundtrack was nominated for a Grammy) to discuss his discoveries from Zappa's vault, why he loves telling complex stories, and how watching Zappa's famously awfulSaturday Night Live集关于iconoc小时候他改变了主意lastic figure at the heart of his new film.Zappa可根据要求开始于11月27日。



AllMusic: You manage to have Frank narrate his own story as much as possible, was that the skeleton around which you built the rest of the film?

亚历克斯冬天:
一切都在纪录片上融合;你有自己的叙述,你写的是你要扔掉大部分,然后你拥有的媒体以及你从你正在做的采访中走出什么。在这种情况下,我们有很多媒体从他的拱顶访问,我们在我们在保险库上做保存工作时,我们所做的最早发现是所有这些录像带和Zappa曾经的电影,这是从“亚博电竞app60年代一直到他的死亡,他在他的朋友之间谈论。

您听到的很多音频来自视频和电影,他只是用他的伙伴射击地下室,或记者,或者是谁,非常随便,但他才能记录一切,他是狂欢收集的媒体的种类,它都在拱顶上的货架上。所以我们发现了几个小时和时间,以及我们所爱的是,就像许多人一样,他正在讲述同样的故事,所以我们会把他讲述他被囚禁的故事,他会讲述这个故事从'70年代,80年代中期,甚至是早起的90年代,甚至是一个句子或两句话。

yabo电竞appAllmusic:拱顶本身的瞥见非常诱人,然后让他参观这是一个漂亮的编辑。

冬季:
We wanted to physically connect him to that space. It was a living thing, he'd work on the vault like he'd work on his music.

yabo电竞appallmusic:你发现了哪些证据?

冬季:
The tip-off that we had was in the early preservation days, we started getting back duplicate media, and we panicked, because we had such limited resources and it was so expensive, we thought, "Oh no, we're preserving multiples," which would be a titanic waste of money and time, but upon further scrutiny, we realized it wasn't a multiple. He'd take a piece of super-8 film, dupe it, and then he'd re-cut it and draw on it and put that to music and dump it on video. So the vault was itself a giant artistic archival project of his that he never stopped tinkering with.

yabo电竞appallmusic:你有没有得到他对所有材料的最终目标的感觉?

冬季:
I think it was its own reward, it didn't have this sense of hubris, as if it was in the service of his legacy with a capital L. It really felt like the way he dealt with the rest of his art and life, he liked making things, he liked working on things. I'd never be presumptuous about what his thinking was, but the impression I got was that it was almost like a gymnasium for him, not exactly a way to relax, but a way to experiment with and explore things, which may have informed greater work or projects that he was doing musically.



AllMusic: You include a clip where he talks about how much he loves editing, did that put pressure on you and your team to edit it in his style?

冬季:
我们没有通过任何手段将他放在一边,但我们没有感受到压力。我们并不试图模仿Zappa,我们并不试图假装这部电影是以某种方式说他会艺术上或视觉上的内容,但我们确实从他那里接受了提示。他用这种特定方式剪掉了电影和音频,真正在整个电影中告知我们的风格以及我们如何接近他的媒体。那是非常非常有帮助的。

yabo电竞appallmusic:他是一个复杂的家伙,而不是关于他的一切都很可爱。您是否故意为电影的后半部分留下缺乏吸引人的特质?

冬季:
我希望观众在一定程度上了解他,而不是他的糖粉版,因为我不认为有任何版本的坦率,甚至他的童年都很复杂。但是从一个故事的角度来看,你可以让头部或尾巴出来他在他的更加关键方面,既不知道这个家伙。我们把很多工作放在铺设了他的基础上,他在他的青年时期和心理上都是心理上的,而这让他成为他的人。

We don't have any talking heads in the film until after he gets to L.A., which is the beginning of act two. His entire upbringing and early years up until he formedthe Mothersare all from his perspective, all with footage that he mostly shot himself. The idea was to lay a foundation so you can make your own mind up about whether you like the guy or not, but at least you'd know who he was.

yabo电竞appAllmusic:他在电影中描述为一个矛盾的人,这使得你的工作更加努力吗?

冬季:
这是我喜欢制作文档的那种主题,这真的是在第一次把我送给他的东西。我不认为我曾经做过一个没有关于一些固有的矛盾主题的医生,这只是我的兴趣。我认为它更接近人类状况,它代表了人类的神秘和有点矛盾的本质,我总是倾向于那种科目。

yabo电竞appAllmusic:你知道这是你在这里探索的那种人。

冬季:
完全,因为成长,关于Zappa的一切涉及二元性;人们要么爱他,要么他们恨他。他们要么爱他的音乐,要么他们讨厌他的音乐。他们以为他是一个斯托纳,当他不仅是他不是斯托纳,而且他讨厌嬉皮士。关于弗兰克的一切都是二元性,一个接一个地。所以我已经对他感兴趣,我挖掘了他的生命,我发现的更多内部二元性。

我不来这些角色思考,“这很有趣,他们很滑,复杂,”议程,就是在那里找到那里的人类,是什么让这些人的人类和善意,谁是谁他们在这一切呢?不是真的像谜语一样破解他们,但只是真正试图传达这一点或制作那个人的肖像。

yabo电竞appallmusic:他为商业成功带来了强烈的蔑视感,因此在“山谷女孩“成为一个似乎是对他的一种特定挑战。

冬季:
如果他害怕受到打击,我们试图在电影中回答:他认为令人震惊意味着音乐不好?我觉得我觉得很多时间和他的作品一起度过了,我不怕成功,他并不害怕商业成功,但他认为,他不害怕商业成功,但我认为,我认为,我认为,是本身怀疑他自己的愿望为商业写作商业,而不是他认为是好艺术的,而他自己的恐惧摇摆着危害他的工作质量,对不同的议程来说,我认为这不太那么多对他周围的世界不屑一顾,因为他喜欢Doo-Wop,他很喜欢很多热门的音乐,但我认为他对自己非常努力,因为它是诚实的。

yabo电竞appAllmusic:你把他展示为带状者,作为管弦乐队指挥。在他的岩石配置中有一种感觉,他几乎可以像乐器一样播放音乐家。

冬季:
I think he saw innate talent in people and he nurtured that talent, and discovered and launched many careers, like史蒂夫·沃伊阿德里安贝雷恩那Ruth Underwood, amazing people who went out into the world and made extraordinary music that started with Zappa. He had the reputation for using people in that way, and from spending so much time watching him in rehearsals with band members, he was much more collaborative than people understood. I think it's very easy for myths to grow, especially around rock and roll musicians, which is almost all myth and very little substance. But I think that he was actually very collaborative, while he also had a desire to hear what he had written played well and played properly, but often those artists were bringing more of their own life to it than people recognize.



AllMusic: I enjoyed seeing the footage of him hosting 'Saturday Night Live,' that's one of the show's more notorious episodes.

冬季:
老实说,这就是我是一个孩子的叫做Zappa的原因,我记得生动地坐在家里的客厅里看着电视和思考,“这家伙真的很有趣,对他来说比我想象更多。”

AllMusic: What was it that jumped out at you?

冬季:
It was his persona, he was obviously a musician who had much more going on than his interest in playing that type of music. It just really struck me that there was something special about the way he was coming at the world. I don't remember the skits, I guess because they were so bad, but I remember him vividly fromSNL.and that perking me up and making me say, "This isn't just some noodly guy that my brother's friends listen to, there's more depth and substance to him."

yabo电竞appallmusic:他可能是一个多刺的家伙,你认为你认为这录像在他最愉快的情况下吗?

冬季:
我不得不说我发现的是他经常快乐,我们在电影中使用了很多东西,但他在很多档案中嘲笑他的屁股[镜头]。他喜欢演奏音乐,他喜欢和家人在一起,他爱他的队伍。他与媒体的关系,他的公众人物往往是非常保护的。他的态度offstage经常令人难以置信和温暖。它可能是直接的,它可能是严格的,但在几乎所有的档案中,他比我预期的更温暖。

yabo电竞appallmusic:那很明显吗?

冬季:
马上,因为我们只是一直找到它,我们在高中找到了他的东西,他和母亲的东西有关,无论我们找到它,我们都会发现他的镜头笑着散发,脱掉袖口,脱掉袖口一直出现的机智。

yabo电竞appallmusic:当你发现自己想知道的时候有时刻,“这家伙会像我一样吗?”

冬季:
I never really thought about it, he'd been gone so long when we made the film. I have a lot of respect for him, and I had a lot of respect making the film, and I considered him sitting behind us in the edit room, and Gail [Zappa's late wife] as well, and thought, "I'm not going to make a film for them, that's impossible, but I'm certainly going to make an effort to do something that has this respect and gratitude baked into it," so that was on my mind.